Robert Softley Gale, artistic director of Birds of Paradise Theatre Company
Birds of Paradise, Scotland's pre-eminent disabled-led theatre company, is celebrating its 30th anniversary with a tour of its darkly comic play Don't Make Tea.
Before the company hits the road later this month I spoke to artistic director Robert Softley Gale about how he chooses what work to produce, disabled representation in the theatre (and yes Richard III at The Globe comes up) and his favourite type of theatre to watch.
Here are the highlights from that chat, scroll down to watch the video.
Tell us a bit about the work you do as artistic director of the Birds of Paradise (BOP) theatre company and how you decide what work to produce.
The company has been going for 31 years, and I’ve been artistic director since 2012. And I think the role is best explained as putting disabled stories onto the stage.
And that sounds very simplistic and ‘what's the big deal with that’? But if you look at our culture, there's a real lack of disabled stories.
I feel like BOP has a role to play in putting those stories on stage.
The first show I produced was a sex comedy called Wendy Hoose in 2014. It was a very standard two-actor comedy where they meet online, get together, and then he comes to her apartment and discovers that she's got no legs.
So, he’s immediately having to navigate how that works.
Taking stories that are quite familiar, like a sex comedy, and then putting disability into them is something I think is very interesting.
The stories we have to tell aren't radically different, but with a different perspective, they've got something different to say.
Then there was Purposeless Movements, which was a physical theatre piece with four disabled guys telling you about their lives and explaining what masculinity meant to them as disabled men.
Then My Left/Right Foot, which is a musical co-produced with the National Theatre of Scotland.
That took the story of Christie Brown who wrote My Left Foot and asked the question: If an amateur theatre company tried to put this on stage, how wrong could they get it, how inappropriate could you be?
It's a very in-your-face musical. It was really well received as a big scale, quite shocking but also quite endearing musical about disability.
The key is that people came for a great night at the theatre; they didn't come to be told what it's like to be disabled because that's not very exciting.
So I guess I'm telling you about those productions to explain how I pick things. It's very much about what will attract audiences.
"If you come away from a piece of theatre having laughed very hard, having cried and thinking about something a different way, then its job done"
I hate theatre that's navel-gazing and 'what I want to say'. I mean, obviously, it's about what I want to say, but it's about what audiences want to hear, what they want to find out about.
It's about being aware of where the audience is, what they're interested in, what will entertain and surprise them and what will educate them. That's not a very popular word.
If you come away from a piece of theatre having laughed very hard, having cried and thinking about something a different way, then its job done.